I think this is quite an interesting hand in the sense that I could have played it in a variety of different ways. Firstly I can limp along for a cheap flop with position on all players. Secondly should I cbet this flop as the pre flop aggressor or is this the standard limp call with a weak ace from either fish? Should I give on the turn or flat/raise with a gut shot? And then the big dilemma that I had. I tanked a bit on the river and I know tanking could give out a tell depending on how long it is. Should I bluff this river?
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I'm a 25NL 6max grinder so take what I say with a pinch of salt, but I think the raise pre is fine considering nobody's short-stacked and we're fairly deep with 2 of them.
ReplyDeleteWouldn't cbet the flop, if they're fish they continue with a very wide range here (Ax, Qx, many PPs, FDs, any other two broadways for a straight draw) so we have little fold equity 3-way. Further, vs fish we obviously don't need to worry about having an obviously weak checking range.
I probably float the turn in case he's taking a random stab and when he checks the river he basically has no value hands in his range (even a fish would prob bet Ax/Qx here) so I think we can bet very small to fold out missed draws. Like 1/4 pot.
Of course, the result's nice too.
Good answer, I agree with the flop check. I raised the turn due to his small sizing and to get him off a Qx/6x type hand
DeleteI think it depends a little bit on whether villain is perceptive enough to recognize the squeeze and how loose you can be squeezing. I think that even though V could have hit part of this flop, this flop also hits a big part of your perceived range, so you need to continue. If you get called the 4 is a brick and is a good barrel card. If he calls the turn then I think you have to give it up on the river.
ReplyDeleteAs played I think having raised the turn you need to bet the river. What are you trying to rep when you raise the turn? A slowplayed TP or set?
Against 1 villain I continue almost 100%. I just feel with 2 limpers they so often have Ax and so often refuse to let go even to 3 barrels that I'd be burning cash.
DeleteI am exactly repping the slowplayed big pair/set and I will actually slowplay this sometimes so its a pretty balanced move but I think ur right and I should have bet the river
hmmm. i guess i just limp along, but raising is fine too. personal preverance imo. chk flop cause they just fold if they both missed completly wich is 90%+ not the case. i just fold the turn cause u rep thin and if the fish has tp or fd (wich has more sd then ur 8-high) he is not folding. if u raise the turn i would bet the rest on the end. would hate to loose against a fd^^ greets filojoes
ReplyDeleteHey Filo, ya, I missed the bet on the river :(
ReplyDeleteweaker players interpret the check behind on the Flop as weak and will mostly not fold to a c/r on the turn and bet on the River. While this line is fine when having the set (and underrep it), it isn't that great when having a drawing hand.
ReplyDeleteI would either cbet and give up the turn or c flop and f turn.
Thx for another line. I guess everyone seems to have a different view on this one. I'm still not 100% sure about the best play :p
ReplyDeleteI think preflop is bad and your turn play is bad.
ReplyDeleteAfter your raise pre then CIB on the flop, raising the turn then CIB the river with 8 high is handing a donation out alot of the time.
Against regs I would bluff the river a lot but against loose weak passives they will call Ax & Qx hands so I gave up but I should probably give up on the turn. The small lead out was just too tempting to not raise when I pick up added equity though :p
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