Tuesday, 8 April 2014

Bet/Fold or Bet/Call Turn?

How would you play this? Just fold pre? Or flat pre?

Bet flop or check?

As played on the turn would you bet/fold or bet/call? or check/call



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13 comments:

  1. TBH, I dont like you're sizing here and the call is a marginal one and prob a bit -EV in the long run.

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    1. Agree, I more often bet/fold in that spot. What size would you use and why?

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  2. There are tough players on 100, I guess.

    If you want to 4Bet in semi-bluff - usually preflop decision depends on stats (if his fold-to-4Bet 70%+ I would 4Bet any speculation right down to any two on NL50; if his fold 50-69% - at least I will need blocker(ace/king) for his range). Probably at NL100 this logic needs some adjusting, you know it better :)

    Calling of normal sizing 3Bets OOP with connectors/gappers seems to me dubious undertaking in any case

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    1. I very rarely just flat SCs oop, either 4b or fold, unless deep or against huge whale.

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    2. I just can't understand one thing here - did he call AK for balance? What's the reason?

      It's very sick not to flop ace/king in 4Bet-pot, I prefer push/fold with AK.

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    3. Villain is one of the bigger winners iirc so not sure why he just flats 4b. I would rather jam too

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    4. People now a days make little or barely any mistake preflop as they have pretty much perfected it. The problem lies in how you play your hands post flop where people make a lot of mistakes and take a lot of weird lines. Also, he has position and not flopping ace/king is not the end of the world... he can still rep a ton of hands. What do you do when you turn your Ax into a bluff by 4betting and flop TP? Its hard for you to fold am I right? playing fit or fold doesn't make you a lot of money because you will prob just break even but if you do not know how to play post flop and end up spewing then its extremely +EV for him. As you can see in the hand history he played the hand pretty well, with the goal of making you put all your money in on a draw.

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    5. Yes, I understand all what you're talking about, but in my opinion such flat-call is normal for playing 3Bet-pot. For me it's too thin vs 4Bet - that's what I mean.

      However I can understand it from the point of view of eff.stack what is slightly deep in this hand...

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    6. Being deeper definitely changes 4b play. I am happy to flat if 125bb deep or more with some hands I would jam/fold and if 150bb deep then very happy to just flat with a much wider range

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  3. As played I B/F turn 100%
    Very spewie preflop dude. Best line post would be to c/c turn and stick it in his eye if we get lucky. Basically put us on set or Qs/Ks that turned into a bluff because we 4b pre OOP.

    This hand made me chuckle some :)

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    1. Yeah I think c/c is best option then b/f then b/c

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  4. To answer your question about why villan falts AK pre v your 4b OOP I would think is obvouis. Your repping pretty much AK/Ts+ with the 4b OOP assuming reg knows you can 4b correctly. He is calling to balance and keep in worse hands which AK performs better against. To 5b ship AK here is a huge leak. I would sooner flat, min click 5b call off, then jam....in that order. I save the Jam for As/Ks in same spot reversed when we jam we get lighter calls from villan thinking we jam AK.

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    Poker is not as easy

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